{"id":3174,"date":"2025-07-13T16:55:59","date_gmt":"2025-07-13T14:55:59","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/laboratoria.red\/?post_type=avada_portfolio&#038;p=3174"},"modified":"2025-07-13T16:55:59","modified_gmt":"2025-07-13T14:55:59","slug":"fatima-ouassak-on-the-power-of-mothers","status":"publish","type":"avada_portfolio","link":"https:\/\/laboratoria.red\/en\/publicacion\/fatima-ouassak-on-the-power-of-mothers\/","title":{"rendered":"Fatima Ouassak on the power of mothers"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_3089\" style=\"width: 415px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-3089\" class=\" wp-image-3089\" src=\"https:\/\/tallertraficantes.net\/laboratoria\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Fatima-Ouassak-credit-Marie-Rouge-3-1024x809.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"405\" height=\"320\" srcset=\"https:\/\/laboratoria.red\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Fatima-Ouassak-credit-Marie-Rouge-3-200x158.jpg 200w, https:\/\/laboratoria.red\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Fatima-Ouassak-credit-Marie-Rouge-3-300x237.jpg 300w, https:\/\/laboratoria.red\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Fatima-Ouassak-credit-Marie-Rouge-3-400x316.jpg 400w, https:\/\/laboratoria.red\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Fatima-Ouassak-credit-Marie-Rouge-3-600x474.jpg 600w, https:\/\/laboratoria.red\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Fatima-Ouassak-credit-Marie-Rouge-3-768x606.jpg 768w, https:\/\/laboratoria.red\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Fatima-Ouassak-credit-Marie-Rouge-3-800x632.jpg 800w, https:\/\/laboratoria.red\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Fatima-Ouassak-credit-Marie-Rouge-3-1024x809.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/laboratoria.red\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Fatima-Ouassak-credit-Marie-Rouge-3-1200x948.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/laboratoria.red\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Fatima-Ouassak-credit-Marie-Rouge-3-1536x1213.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/laboratoria.red\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Fatima-Ouassak-credit-Marie-Rouge-3.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 405px) 100vw, 405px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-3089\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Fatima Ouassak, by Marie Rouge<\/p><\/div>\n<h3>by Marta Malo and Ver\u00f3nica Gago. Translated by Anouk Devill\u00e9<\/h3>\n<h4><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ojala.mx\/en\/ojala-en\/fatima-ouassak-on-the-power-of-mothers\">First published in Ojal\u00e1<\/a><\/h4>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">The family is a concept that the far right has attempted to monopolize, and the idea of the \u201cmother\u201d is a central part of that dispute. We\u2019re witnessing a coordinated offensive against politicized, feminist, and anti-racist maternities with deep social roots, among which the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo in Argentina are a key reference point.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">F\u00e1tima Ouassak\u2019s book <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/capitanswing.com\/libros\/el-poder-de-las-madres\/\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\"><em>El poder de las madres: Por un nuevo sujeto revolucionario<\/em><\/span><\/a><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\"> (<em>The Power of Mothers: For a new revolutionary subject<\/em>) gets to the heart of that battle. It pushes back on the monolithic figure of the mother, and calls on mothers\u2014in plural and in resistance\u2014to deploy their power <em>as dragons<\/em> to bring down authoritarian forces.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">Ouassak is a political scientist, the daughter of immigrants, and a mother from a working class neighborhood. She is also a determined activist: she founded a local association in the <em>banlieu<\/em> of Bagnolet near Paris, a union of families called <em>Front de m\u00e9res <\/em>[Mother\u2019s Front]<em>,<\/em> as well as <em>R\u00e9seau Classe\/Genre\/Race,<\/em> an intersectional feminist organization. She\u2019s written two novels, <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.editions-jclattes.fr\/livre\/rue-du-passage-9782709672436\/\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\"><em>Rue de Passage<\/em><\/span><\/a><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\"> and <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.librairieactessud.com\/livre\/9791030706802-comme-ali-fatima-ouassak\/\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\"><em>Comme Ali<\/em><\/span><\/a><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">, as well as two books of essays<em>, El poder de las madres, <\/em>which was recently translated to Spanish, and <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.editionsladecouverte.fr\/pour_une_ecologie_pirate-9782348075445\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\"><em>Pour une \u00e9cologie pirate: Et nous serons libres<\/em><\/span><\/a><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\"><em>.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">The first time we met Ouassak she was speaking at the end of a demonstration. It was summer 2023, and French working class neighborhoods were once again rebelling against police brutality following the killing of 17-year-old\u00a0 Nahel Merzouk by a cop in Nanterre. We were impressed by her clarity, determination, and the fierceness of her words.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">\u201cMy point of view is situated. As are all points of view, including those that claim they aren\u2019t, and that they represent everyone,\u201c Ouassak writes in <em>El poder de las madres<\/em>. \u201dMy point of view is situated, but I am addressing everyone.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">Moved by the desire to make her work known, but above all by the urgency of intensifying international conversations among feminists in these times of patriarchal restoration, and the desire to connect disparate points in a shared struggle that seeks to change the whole world, we contacted Ouassak.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">We proposed to interview her and she quickly agreed. Our interview took place in December of last year in French via Zoom and then translated into Spanish (and now, to English). This is the\u00a0 first of two parts of our interview with Ouassak, which has been edited for clarity and length.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\" style=\"color: #ff00ff;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #e91e63;\">Marta Malo and Ver\u00f3nica Gago: The title of your book, El poder de las madres (The Power of Mothers), echoes ideas of women\u2019s power and the subversion of community. What do you mean when you write about the power of mothers in the current context?\u00a0<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\"><strong>Fatima Ouassak<\/strong>: The French title references the power of mothers. It was a suggestion from my publisher, La D\u00e9couverte. I wanted to talk about power and I wanted to emphasize the plural, referring not to \u201cthe power of the mother\u201d, but rather, to \u201cthe power of mothers.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">First, I\u2019m referring to power in the sense of <em>political power<\/em>. Right now, in the Western and especially European context, mothers, who appear as these tender, apparently small people, can transform the world should they wish to do so. When I began to say this in France, it was very uncommon. Mothers are called <em>mamas<\/em>, they are considered a small subject. They are of no interest to anyone, neither politically nor strategically, at least in the context of struggles.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">What I want to talk about is the power we have.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">Second, I speak of mothers in the plural because I am a materialist feminist that rejects the individual and individualizing dimension of neoliberalism. When I speak of power, I am referring to <em>collective power<\/em>, to a collective power that already exists in working-class neighborhoods in France.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">The title is more descriptive than prescriptive. It recognizes there are mothers who are already in struggle, rather than saying \u201cmothers need to struggle.\u201d Four or five years before writing the book, I co-founded the<em> Front de m\u00e8res<\/em> in France. And it&#8217;s not just <em>Front de m\u00e8res<\/em>, there\u2019s other organizations too.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">In 1984, there was a movement called <em>Les folles de la place Vend\u00f4me<\/em> [The madwomen of Place Vend\u00f4me] in France, and they did just what I describe in the book. I want to reaffirm the historic struggles that were waged by mothers that once existed as a strategic potential.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\" style=\"color: #ff00ff;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #e91e63;\">MM and VG: As feminists, we understand the notion of the \u201cmother\u201d is fraught with ambivalence, caught between oppression and power, and dimensions that are reactionary and subversive. Could you elaborate a little more on the motherhoods about which you speak\u2014motherhoods in plural\u2014that are also subversive?\u00a0<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\"><strong>FO<\/strong>: In 2012 there was a huge demonstration under the banner of <em>Manif pour tous<\/em> [demonstration for all, led by the French ultraconservative movement that\u2019s focused on campaigns against queer marriage and childrearing, and emotional and sexual education in schools].\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">At that time the <em>Front de m\u00e8res<\/em> didn&#8217;t exist. I remember seeing families walk by, which in reality were overwhelmingly fathers, and I said to my<em> compa\u00f1eros<\/em>: &#8216;We must watch out, this is a dire threat to us.&#8217;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">Of course, there were some Muslim fathers and racialized Muslim mothers who were part of the demonstrations and they were there for reactionary reasons. It was, in essence, a reactionary political organization demonstrating in a manner that was directed against us and our children.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">This is something we had to and still have to fight against, including within our own ranks and our own communities. That demonstration was an important factor in the creation of the Front de m\u00e8res. Today, in France, the most dynamic movement of parents is called <em>Parents Vigilants <\/em>[Parents on guard]. It\u2019s a large movement that brings together thousands of people who are racist, Islamophobic, LGBT-phobic, homophobic, transphobic and so on. It has a very combative presence in schools.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">As feminist and anti-racist mothers we are facing this movement, which is a war machine founded and supported by \u00c9ric Zemmour [one of the most visible figures on the French far-right].\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">The other struggle we\u2019re engaged in as feminist and anti-racist mothers, which I also examine in the book, is the way in which institutions and the state treat fathers and mothers. In my opinion, the unequal treatment that exists in relation to families depends on whether or not they\u2019re critical of the established order.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">A mother or a father who supports an institution, who does not criticize it, is going to feel encouraged and supported. This also applies to Muslims, racialized people and people from working-class neighborhoods.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">Mothers like myself who question institutions, who are critical of school, of police, of the way working-class neighborhoods are run, are demonized. It&#8217;s not just a question of skin color or social class, it&#8217;s also a question of whether or not you have a critical perspective and question institutions.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">In <em>El poder de las madres<\/em> I draw on my experience as an activist to suggest that a mother who becomes involved politically in order to protect children, not only her own, but children in general, will be labeled an Islamist, a communitarian, and treated like the devil. It is important to point out this blind spot common among our feminist comrades, which is how racialized women are treated when they become involved in politics.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\" style=\"color: #ff00ff;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #e91e63;\">MM and VG: In The Power of Mothers, school appears as a space for involvement and as a site of political battles. Tell us a little more about that.<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\"><strong>F\u00e1tima Ouassak<\/strong>: In France, there are people who are very committed to feminism, to the left and even to the radical left, but who, when they have children, develop a discourse opposed to the idea of sacrifice.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">These are people committed to social change, sometimes even to the idea of revolutionary transformation, but when it comes to choosing their children&#8217;s school, if they live in Bagnolet, for example, they don&#8217;t enroll their children in Bagnolet, but in Paris. The justification is that they don&#8217;t want to \u201csacrifice their children.\u201d To be clear, there are a lot of Black, Arab and Roma kids at that school, and they don&#8217;t want their children to share their lives and upbringing with our children.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">This is one of the reasons feminists don&#8217;t talk much about their role as mothers. If they did, I think they would be forced to politicize their decisions, or at least to explain them. Do I send my children to play soccer with the other kids in the neighborhood, or do I sign them up for <em>capoeira<\/em> or skiing?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">By asking these questions we position ourselves from the material conditions within which we exist, which is central to materialist feminism.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">On a general level, I can say I&#8217;m in favor of revolution. But when it comes to questions like where will you send your child to school, there is no longer any abstraction. The contradiction becomes clear: yes, I want to change the world, but not at home. In the end, through my choices, I promote the reproduction of established inequalities and social injustices.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">This debate has yet to really take place in France, because it is a debate that\u2019s painful, and it&#8217;s one we must be able to engage in. It\u2019s not something that is the sole responsibility of feminists, but it demonstrates the difference between political rhetoric and individual strategies.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">The aim of my questioning is not to make feminists feel guilty, but rather to raise the matter of collective strategies versus individual strategies. In France, when we talk about mothers, we tend to talk about them as individuals and discuss the relationship a mother has with her child.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">That, for me, is a strategic <em>impasse<\/em>. As an individual the mother seeks the happiness of her child, not that of all children, because we live in a society that promotes competition between children and between parents, and the idea that for my child to succeed, yours must fail. That is what we must break, we need to understand that it\u2019s exactly the opposite: for my child to succeed, your children must also succeed. This shift is difficult, even within the <em>Front de m\u00e8res<\/em>, because it goes against everything we are told and encouraged to do.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\" style=\"color: #ff00ff;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #e91e63;\">MM and VG: Could you tell us a little more about the idea of the revolutionary subject that you develop in The Power of Mothers?<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\"><strong>FO<\/strong>: Before I started writing <em>The Power of Mothers<\/em> I had the idea of a trilogy in my head. I had too much material, so I thought about writing three books: the first would be the subject, the second the verb and the last the complement. That&#8217;s why the subtitle of <em>The Power of Mothers<\/em> is \u201cfor a revolutionary subject\u201d.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">Based on my political experience, the subject had to be women, because I struggle in community with women. In the book, I explain how, at a certain point, there was an issue with the cafeteria at my daughter&#8217;s school, and I called a meeting of the families involved. I didn&#8217;t call out for &#8216;concerned women&#8217; to attend, but rather &#8216;concerned families.&#8217; Not a single man showed up.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">The specific reality in which I carry out my organizing, which is where my political commitment lies, is within a community of women. For me it is important to say that it is a community. Of course it isn\u2019t free from relationships of domination, nor is it free from violence at times, but it is the community in which I feel most at home, from which I am able to become involved politically, in which I can mature, and within which I manage to think things through. Among women, and specifically mothers, we can not [only] think about the violence and oppression mothers face, but also about the power mothers have as protectors of childhood.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">When I say mothers I include not only those with biological children, but also women who take care of kids in their daily lives, whether they are their students, their nieces and nephews, the children of their neighbors, or others from their community. It is a reference to intergenerational care, which is to say, to women who want the best for the next generations.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\" style=\"color: #ff00ff;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #e91e63;\">MM and VG: Given your interest in transnational activism, what do you think are the most important aspects of internationalism in the present context of war?\u00a0<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\"><strong>FO<\/strong>: I think there are two important aspects. When I talk about internationalism, I am referring first of all to Europe, which is a scale that is too often neglected because we associate Europe with neoliberalism, and we don&#8217;t care to think beyond that. That\u2019s a big tactical mistake.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">I think the opposite is true, that we ought to put effort into relations within Europe. What can we do between European countries? Recovering our strength within Europe would also allow us to broaden our internationalist perspective.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">The second aspect is primarily with regard to Europe&#8217;s relationship with Africa. This type of internationalism is challenging, especially for people like me who come from Africa. It is very difficult to work with our countries of origin. I am Moroccan and I know there is an issue that I should not address in Morocco: that of Western Sahara [which is occupied by the Moroccan government].\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">The colonial question and the issue of Palestine are also difficult to talk about within our home countries. But because it is difficult doesn&#8217;t mean that it shouldn&#8217;t be done, and the diasporas are a starting point.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">If we don&#8217;t work with countries linked to Europe&#8217;s colonial past, that is, with Morocco, Senegal, Mali, and Tunisia, there can be no internationalism. Internationalists in France love to link up with countries like Argentina, Bolivia, Chile&#8230; And they love it because it costs it nothing, nor does it require questioning anything.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"\"><span class=\"sqsrte-text-color--black\">But working with Algeria or with the Congo is a huge challenge. No one wants to organize things in these countries, with activists there. We know there are activists like us there; but we don&#8217;t even know who they are.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>by Marta Malo and Ver\u00f3nica Gago. 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